My Internal Dialog by Salvia



Jessie Davis and Cutts murder – Interracial sex cause for the attention? I call Bullshit on Rachelstavern.com

Last evening I found a very interesting post over at RachelsTavern.com providing an alternative view on what the Jessie Davis/Bobby Cutts murder story – all the media attention is directly related to Interracial sex. What?!?

Before we even look at why she claims this to be the true cause for the attention, let us take a look at Rachel’s background. From her about section:

“Rachel is a sociology professor who lives and blogs in the New York City metro area. Her research and teaching focus on race, African American Studies, gender, sexuality, and popular culture.

I bring this up so we understand where Rachel is coming from when she makes her statements. That said, let’s take a look at why she says this is about interracial sex.

Rachel wanted to see what people were thinking, and this is where she make her very first substantial comment case:

“I went around to a few blogs, and I visited AOL Blackvoices and a couple white supremacist message boards to see what they were saying, and quite frankly it was horrible….I can’t tell you how many racist and misogynistic comments I read; and not surprisingly the white supremacists were giddy over this case.”

So wait, were you looking for a general view of what society was thinking about this murder investigation or were you looking for the most extreme opinions of what the fringe of society was thinking? I mean, did you truly expect to see white supremacists says anything less than happy about this?

How many expected mother websites did you visit to see their reactions? How many forums focused on Grandmothers did you visit? How many law enforcement forums did you visit? Were they all saying the victim was “white trash”? Better yet, did you look at any Media blogs or forums, and if so, how many of them were talking about it as an interracial sex issue?

The piece of evidence she points out is the Christopher Vaughn murder story (which I spoke about a few days back). While the case was equally graphic and disturbing, it hardly had any coverage in the nation media. And this where Rachel makes her claim:

“I agree that white women victims get much more attention than Black, Asian, Latino, and American Indian women, and I agree that race is a big factor in the media attention the case has gotten, but I would be more specific than Terrence. It’s about interracial sex.”

Again, wait, what?

She then goes one to say:

“Interracial crimes make big sensational news stories, but crimes that involve interracial sexuality arouse the deepest passions of American bigotry. The OJ Simpson case, the Duke Rape, the Kobe Bryant rape case, and now this one–they all have tremendous sexual overtones.”

So, the OJ Simpson was given the attention because of interracial sex? Not the fact that a former Football superstar was involved? Not the fact that the crime was so severe? Not because the actual trial became a circus?

The Duke rape case was about interracial sex? You mean the attention wasn’t due to the fact that the case involved a major, and well respected, institution of higher learning or because of a sports team? You mean that it wasn’t because a number of people allegedly involved in the crime? You mean that it wasn’t because of the politics of the prosecutor?

Also, the Kobe Bryant case didn’t get the attention because he is a superstar or because he tried to hid the event? You mean it wasn’t because of the infidelity he committed?

Nope, according to Rachel – these all got the attention because of the interracial sex.

This is where things get really interesting. Rachel points to her own website, and it’s traffic, as proof that society is obsessed with race and sex. You know what, that very well may be the case. We me be obsessed with it, we may be obsessed with race and sex but that does not mean we are obsessed with both topics concurrently.

She then goes to show some of the searches ran on her site:

  • black men impregnating white women stories
  • savages on blondes
  • Biracial family pictures black and white
  • BLACK ATHLETE MARRYING WHITE WOMEN
  • Black men breeding white girls
  • black negro slave woman naked pictures
  • black women with white men in adult movies
  • differences between white and black women’s breasts
  • blacks in bed sexing
  • george lucas in love black women
  • how do you feel about interracial relationship

So, as you already established you are researcher and teacher who focuses on race, African American Studies, gender, sexuality, and popular culture. You run a website that focuses on these very same topics. What kind of searches did you expect to have? Did you expect people looking for information on the rain in Texas or the wildfires out west? No, you are going to get searches that relate to the topic on your site!

The search request that are more sexual, that is to say “blacks in bed sexing” are, most likely, people who came to your site thinking it was a porn site and wanted to find things that related to their fetish.

Here is why the case received so much attention – the son. The impact of the comments he made to his grandmother “Mommy was crying. Mommy broke the table. Mommy’s in rug.”

This is the comment that was said over and over and over. The news pounded this into our heads from the very beginning and was closely followed by the fact that the woman was pregnant and was due any day. The ex-boyfriend wasn’t a suspect in the beginning and wasn’t even mentioned until several days later.

What I think we have here is some who is too close to a topic – someone who can no longer see the forest from the trees – and is drawing a conclusion based on her biased opinion.

For the record, my very first reaction was “it’s Lacey Peterson all over again”. I *NEVER* thought about this topic being a racial issue until I read Rachel’s view.

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Comments

  1. * Angel H. says:

    Did you actually read the whole article, or are you picking apart what you don’t like?

    So wait, were you looking for a general view of what society was thinking about this murder investigation or were you looking for the most extreme opinions of what the fringe of society was thinking?

    Since when did AOL Blackvoices – a forum for African American to talk about anything and everyhting – cater to “the fringe of society”?

    Better yet, did you look at any Media blogs or forums, and if so, how many of them were talking about it as an interracial sex issue?

    If you read the comments following her post, several people stated that they saw racist and mysogynist remarks on other message boards, as well.

    So, as you already established you are researcher and teacher who focuses on race, African American Studies, gender, sexuality, and popular culture. You run a website that focuses on these very same topics. What kind of searches did you expect to have?

    Have you ever read the blog at all? If you had even bothered to slightly skim through her her posts, you would see that those searches have absolutely nothing to do with the blog’s content at all. Yes, she does “focus on race, African American Studies, gender, sexuality, and popular culture”, she focues on the inequalities ofthose subjects. Her topics are on feminism, human rights, and anti-discrimination. You would’ve known that if you had bothered to take 2 minutes and actually done a little research before slamming someone you obviously don’t even know.

    I *NEVER* thought about this topic being a racial issue until I ready Rachel’s view.

    It’s seems to me that there’s a whole lot that you don’t know, but I’ll start you off slowly.

    | Reply Posted 9 years, 12 months ago
  2. * myinternaldialog says:

    First off, yes, I did read the entire article. I pick those items, specifically, because the appear to be the biggest targets of the entire article.

    “AOL Blackvoices – a forum for African American to talk about anything and everyhting”

    If you only take a few sub-sets of society, be it gay, midget lovers, black, jew, you are taking a minority sample. Essentially, if you are looking for a specific comment you’ll find the outlet for that comment.

    “Have you ever read the blog at all? If you had even bothered to slightly skim through her her posts, you would see that those searches have absolutely nothing to do with the blog’s content at all. Yes, she does “focus on race, African American Studies, gender, sexuality, and popular culture”, she focues on the inequalities ofthose subjects. Her topics are on feminism, human rights, and anti-discrimination. You would’ve known that if you had bothered to take 2 minutes and actually done a little research before slamming someone you obviously don’t even know.”

    Yes, I did but chances are someone who came to the site via a search engine isn’t going to look around the site looking if they came there looking for porn – they are going right to the search function to find that porn.

    It has nothing to do with content of her site, per se, it has to do with desire of the web surfer.

    I’m not unaware of racial issues, my mother is black and my father is a Jew. I said, in THIS case, I never thought it was a racial thing.

    | Reply Posted 9 years, 12 months ago
  3. * B says:

    re: “So, as you already established you are researcher and teacher who focuses on race, African American Studies, gender, sexuality, and popular culture. You run a website that focuses on these very same topics. ”

    Huh? Rachel’s Tavern is not a port website. People searching for:
    # black men impregnating white women stories
    # savages on blondes
    # Black men breeding white girls
    # black negro slave woman naked pictures
    # black women with white men in adult movies
    # differences between white and black women’s breasts
    # blacks in bed sexing

    are looking for porn. I don’t find it likely that is seriously interested in sociology would refer to African-Americans/ those in the black diaspora as “savages” or be so interested in physical portrayals of intercourse. The topic of interracial relationships is certainly one that finds its way into the blog, but posing it as a personal question, “how do you feel about interracial relationship,” is more likely some sort of internet come-on than someone doing sociological or pop culture research.

    Rachel could have used numerous sources to document our nation’s history of being troubled by race and sex–namely, a history of interracial coupling being outlawed, examples from antebellum slavery, etc–but that would have made for a rather long and belabored post.

    | Reply Posted 9 years, 12 months ago
  4. * B says:

    oops, above should read, “I don’t find it likely that *anyone* seriously interested in sociology would refer to…”

    sorry for the error.

    | Reply Posted 9 years, 12 months ago
  5. * myinternaldialog says:

    >People searching for:
    ># black men impregnating white women stories
    ># savages on blondes
    ># Black men breeding white girls
    ># black negro slave woman naked pictures
    ># black women with white men in adult movies
    ># differences between white and black women’s breasts
    ># blacks in bed sexing
    >are looking for porn.

    That is exactly my point! The people who do those searches come to her site by error. A person looking for porn finds her site because, at some point, one of the searches run on a portal (iGoogle, Yahoo!, MSN, whatever) picked up these words from her website and indexed them. When someone came looking for porn, and didn’t see it, they went and searched in the search box.

    For example, her site has 590 hits of the word Black, 17 of savages, 9 of fuck, 512 of negro, 70 of slave, 37 of breasts and 174 of pictures.
    So, to say that society is obsessed with the topic simply because someone was looking for porn on her site (and looking because some combo of words listed on her site what cause the person to be there in the first place) is bogus.

    I’m not doubting race and sex being a hot topic in society, again, I’ve seen it first hand. I just do not believe, based on everything I’ve seen in the news, that the attention received here is because of race.

    What I find interesting is that people come to defend her, however; no one addresses the fact that the news pumped the comments her son made. “Mommy was crying. Mommy broke the table. Mommy’s in rug.” before the boyfriend even came into the picture.
    Thanks for the comment, btw!

    | Reply Posted 9 years, 12 months ago
  6. * mindy says:

    first of all…. interrational relationship has nothing to with the murder! I’m in a interrational marriage and have a mixed son just like Jessie Davis and my husband isn’t the sterotype rachel think he is. WHITE GIRLS get murdered every day while being pregnant or not by every race. Everyone is forgetting he is a police officer who killed his girl infront of his 2 year old son and then just left him to find for him self or maybe even die if no one found him.

    | Reply Posted 9 years, 12 months ago
  7. * Angel H. says:

    I’m in a interrational marriage and have a mixed son just like Jessie Davis and my husband isn’t the sterotype rachel think he is. WHITE GIRLS get murdered every day while being pregnant or not by every race.

    Mindy, I’m going to ask you the same thing I asked the OP: Have you even read the article?

    Rachel was not stereotyping all black men that were in IRs. The point of the article, and of her many other academic papers on the same subject, is that black men are *unfairly* stereotyped when they’re in an IR.

    | Reply Posted 9 years, 12 months ago
  8. * B says:

    Mindy,

    It is my understanding that neither this blog entry nor Rachel’s is criticizing interracial relationships. It seems like a number of us in this conversation have some sort of personal relationship to interracial relationships–Rachel doesn’t hide the fact she’s in one, the blogger on this site notes that he’s the product of one, and I myself am in one. None of us are saying that such relations are any more disfunctional than same-race ones.

    Rather, it seems to me, anyway, that question is whether or not people in the US have some sort of obsession/fixation on interracial relationships. On her blog, Rachel suggests that this is indeed the case, and that much of the attention to the Davis case is a result of the US’s fixation on interracial sex. Salvia, on the other hand, suggests that Rachel’s perspective is a result of her profession–sociology professor who does a lot of work on race, gender, American studies, pop-culture and African-American studies–and Salvia then argues that the reason this case is being followed so heavily in the media is a result of the gory details surrounding it. Neither blogger is saying interracial relationships lead to murder, nor are the commenters on either of their posts.

    To use an example that is less controversial, if my fiance and I get stares when we walk around holding hands, the two bloggers might have a different take on the situation. Rachel might suggest that it is because people are fascinated by interracial relationships and sex. Salvia might say it is because my fiance and I are doing the dorky-couple thing of wearing matching outfits, or ’cause we’re attractive people 😉 Neither Rachel or Salvia, however, would say that we shouldn’t be in a relationship because we are of different races.

    Rachel did bring up the fact that some other people, namely, some white supremicists and others who find fault with interracial relationships are saying that the races of Davis and Cutts led to the murder, but she herself is not saying that, nor is Salvia. In other words, it seems like your beef is not with Salvia or Rachel or any of their respective commenters, but those *other people* who run the supremicist websites and others who find fault with interracial relationships.

    | Reply Posted 9 years, 12 months ago
  9. * myinternaldialog says:

    @B:

    Your post #8 is very *VERY* good. As a matter of fact, I have to say it’s fantastic.

    | Reply Posted 9 years, 12 months ago
  10. * Brandon Berg says:

    To clarify, these aren’t things that people have typed into the search box at her web site. These are the queries that people have typed into search engines that led to her site.

    Also, racism is Rachel’s explanation for pretty much everything. She’s right sometimes, but only in the sense that a stopped clock is.

    | Reply Posted 9 years, 12 months ago
  11. * myinternaldialog says:

    Thanks for the clarification, Brandon, on the search queries.

    | Reply Posted 9 years, 12 months ago
  12. * Ibod Catooga says:

    I think all darkies should be shipped back to Africa where they rightly belong.

    | Reply Posted 9 years, 12 months ago
  13. * Lyonside says:

    So that means YOU TOO, right?

    http://www.geol.umd.edu/~jmerck/eltsite/lectures/scatterlings.html

    D@**it, supremicists, evolve already!

    | Reply Posted 9 years, 12 months ago
  14. * Angel H. says:

    Also, racism is Rachel’s explanation for pretty much everything. She’s right sometimes, but only in the sense that a stopped clock is.

    Just a little inside info, Salvia:

    Brandon’s just pissed because he was banned from Alas, a Blog because he’s a sexist who can’t see past his own white male privilege.

    | Reply Posted 9 years, 12 months ago
  15. * myinternaldialog says:

    @ Angel

    Sounds like you are a bit unhappy too about it, too. 😉

    I just read most (not all) of his posts and didn’t see anything (at first glance) to get worked up about. He stated his view, from what I saw rather well, and didn’t personally attack anyone, did he? (I may have missed it)

    In reality, we are all wrong at one point or another… and we are all right at one point or another, so I would have to say his comment is correct.

    | Reply Posted 9 years, 12 months ago
  16. * myinternaldialog says:

    @ Lyonside

    GOOD ONE! =)

    | Reply Posted 9 years, 12 months ago


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